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		<title>By: Dave Crossland</title>
		<link>http://conal.net/blog/posts/seeking-advice-on-software-licensing#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Crossland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;&quot;Anonymous (and others) — I’m very sympathetic with this consideration (GPL contamination). What (non-GPL) licenses would you like your programs to have?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fear of &quot;GPL contamination&quot; is what the business of dual licensing GPL code is based on; you use the GPL version as a &#039;try before you buy&#039; marketing tactic and put the software freedom community to use as a marketing team. The stronger the copyleft (ie, Affero GPLv3 is the strongest) then the higher the conversion rate on the non-GPL license will be.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Given this post is now many months old, perhaps you could make a new post reporting how things have gone? :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anonymous (and others) — I’m very sympathetic with this consideration (GPL contamination). What (non-GPL) licenses would you like your programs to have?&#8221;</p>

<p>The fear of &#8220;GPL contamination&#8221; is what the business of dual licensing GPL code is based on; you use the GPL version as a &#8216;try before you buy&#8217; marketing tactic and put the software freedom community to use as a marketing team. The stronger the copyleft (ie, Affero GPLv3 is the strongest) then the higher the conversion rate on the non-GPL license will be.</p>

<p>Given this post is now many months old, perhaps you could make a new post reporting how things have gone? <img src="http://conal.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://conal.net/blog/posts/seeking-advice-on-software-licensing#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Um ... isn&#039;t this what tenureship is for? ;-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think you should talk to the major functional software houses/groups (Galois, various banks, and Jane Street come to mind) and see if any of them want to publicly &quot;sponsor&quot; your development of Reactive, under the original BSD license.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Many of these shops are 
a) Trying to attract functional programmers and want the name recognition of sponsoring one of the coolest ideas out there
b) Wanting your expertise if they use the product (I can imagine Reactive would be quite useful to a bank)
c) Open to the bleeding-edge&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Slapping their logo on the website, and getting consulting hours and gratitude from you accomplishes all of these things.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um &#8230; isn&#8217;t this what tenureship is for? <img src="http://conal.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>

<p>I think you should talk to the major functional software houses/groups (Galois, various banks, and Jane Street come to mind) and see if any of them want to publicly &#8220;sponsor&#8221; your development of Reactive, under the original BSD license.</p>

<p>Many of these shops are 
a) Trying to attract functional programmers and want the name recognition of sponsoring one of the coolest ideas out there
b) Wanting your expertise if they use the product (I can imagine Reactive would be quite useful to a bank)
c) Open to the bleeding-edge</p>

<p>Slapping their logo on the website, and getting consulting hours and gratitude from you accomplishes all of these things.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim S</title>
		<link>http://conal.net/blog/posts/seeking-advice-on-software-licensing#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;iphone apps are the flavor of the month. I don&#039;t know the rules precisely at the moment (i.e. will Apple allow you to charge for an app released under a free license?), but it is clear that users would pay for apps on an iphone without regard to license. At least for now. I&#039;m quite sure they would even be willing to pay for GPL software on this platform at the moment. So make an app where the user is actually programming with TVs or whatever. Even better, make it a social app, say a game where they must reason about advertising. VCs will flock to you. You&#039;&#039;ll love it. They&#039;ll love it. The only question is whether someone else can load the same code in the iphone store. But you will always be two steps ahead.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The above might sound facetious, but it is only half so. This is a growth sector at the moment. Think outside the thunk. :-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iphone apps are the flavor of the month. I don&#8217;t know the rules precisely at the moment (i.e. will Apple allow you to charge for an app released under a free license?), but it is clear that users would pay for apps on an iphone without regard to license. At least for now. I&#8217;m quite sure they would even be willing to pay for GPL software on this platform at the moment. So make an app where the user is actually programming with TVs or whatever. Even better, make it a social app, say a game where they must reason about advertising. VCs will flock to you. You&#8221;ll love it. They&#8217;ll love it. The only question is whether someone else can load the same code in the iphone store. But you will always be two steps ahead.</p>

<p>The above might sound facetious, but it is only half so. This is a growth sector at the moment. Think outside the thunk. <img src="http://conal.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Barak A. Pearlmutter</title>
		<link>http://conal.net/blog/posts/seeking-advice-on-software-licensing#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barak A. Pearlmutter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;2nd the comment by Ryan Ingram.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The objection raised by Anon (&quot;Please not the GPL&quot;) were already addressed in Ryan&#039;s comment: if you don&#039;t like the GPL you need to cut a separate deal, probably involving money flowing to Conal.  That is the point!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2nd the comment by Ryan Ingram.</p>

<p>The objection raised by Anon (&#8220;Please not the GPL&#8221;) were already addressed in Ryan&#8217;s comment: if you don&#8217;t like the GPL you need to cut a separate deal, probably involving money flowing to Conal.  That is the point!</p>
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		<title>By: Achim Schneider</title>
		<link>http://conal.net/blog/posts/seeking-advice-on-software-licensing#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Achim Schneider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 11:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Things being simple doesn&#039;t mean that companies won&#039;t pay for support: They are looking for straws to cling onto (and people to blame) should things not work out as planned. Still, I don&#039;t believe that these kind of companies are likely to use reactive and/or fieldtrip in their raw form, in the first place. A webserver or 3d modeller would be a completely different thing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But then, if you interpret consulting as mostly training and advice, you might be able to earn bucks by explaining people how to design -- in general or for a specific application -- programs without falling back into pre-FRP patterns. Add a little viral marketing via a google techtalk and...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things being simple doesn&#8217;t mean that companies won&#8217;t pay for support: They are looking for straws to cling onto (and people to blame) should things not work out as planned. Still, I don&#8217;t believe that these kind of companies are likely to use reactive and/or fieldtrip in their raw form, in the first place. A webserver or 3d modeller would be a completely different thing.</p>

<p>But then, if you interpret consulting as mostly training and advice, you might be able to earn bucks by explaining people how to design &#8212; in general or for a specific application &#8212; programs without falling back into pre-FRP patterns. Add a little viral marketing via a google techtalk and&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Delhanty</title>
		<link>http://conal.net/blog/posts/seeking-advice-on-software-licensing#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Delhanty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 06:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
In order for free software to generate consulting &amp; support business, I imagine the software has to be tricky/complicated to &lt;i&gt;use&lt;/i&gt;. Is that so?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That almost sounds like a defintion of the word &lt;i&gt;enterprise&lt;/i&gt; in the term &quot;enterprise software&quot; - free or non-free.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not recommending you go the route at all though.  Personal integrity matters and ultimately will probably prove to be good business.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>
In order for free software to generate consulting &amp; support business, I imagine the software has to be tricky/complicated to <i>use</i>. Is that so?
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<p>That almost sounds like a defintion of the word <i>enterprise</i> in the term &#8220;enterprise software&#8221; &#8211; free or non-free.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m not recommending you go the route at all though.  Personal integrity matters and ultimately will probably prove to be good business.</p>
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		<title>By: conal</title>
		<link>http://conal.net/blog/posts/seeking-advice-on-software-licensing#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;I think you need to consider a broader strategy than just licensing. The majority of open source developers I&#039;ve know who&#039;ve been at it seriously for more than 5 years now earn a professional living from activities related to it. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Joseph added:&lt;/p&gt;

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  &lt;p&gt;Keep things free and unencumbered for the community, and offer consulting services and a commercial license for enterprises which need support.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for bringing in this angle.  I&#039;m puzzling over how it might apply to my work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What I&#039;m most dedicated to in my work at is creating software that is &lt;em&gt;simple&lt;/em&gt; to reason about (understand precisely) and to use.
It&#039;s a tremendous effort, and it&#039;s my mission.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In order for free software to generate consulting &amp; support business, I imagine the software has to be tricky/complicated &lt;em&gt;to use&lt;/em&gt;.
Is that so?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>I think you need to consider a broader strategy than just licensing. The majority of open source developers I&#8217;ve know who&#8217;ve been at it seriously for more than 5 years now earn a professional living from activities related to it. [&#8230;]</p>
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<p>Joseph added:</p>

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  <p>Keep things free and unencumbered for the community, and offer consulting services and a commercial license for enterprises which need support.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Thanks for bringing in this angle.  I&#8217;m puzzling over how it might apply to my work.</p>

<p>What I&#8217;m most dedicated to in my work at is creating software that is <em>simple</em> to reason about (understand precisely) and to use.
It&#8217;s a tremendous effort, and it&#8217;s my mission.</p>

<p>In order for free software to generate consulting &amp; support business, I imagine the software has to be tricky/complicated <em>to use</em>.
Is that so?</p>
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		<title>By: conal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Joseph -- Hey there, little brother!  I didn&#039;t know you watched my blog.  :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph &#8212; Hey there, little brother!  I didn&#8217;t know you watched my blog.  <img src="http://conal.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://conal.net/blog/posts/seeking-advice-on-software-licensing#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Hey Conal.  You&#039;ve got quite a thread started here!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also strongly agree with Robert Burrell Donkin.  I think that you can maximize your personal value by keeping the license open and fostering a growing community.  JBoss and MySQL are great examples of very successful outcomes from this approach.  Keep things free and unencumbered for the community, and offer consulting services and a commercial license for enterprises which need support.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Conal.  You&#8217;ve got quite a thread started here!</p>

<p>I also strongly agree with Robert Burrell Donkin.  I think that you can maximize your personal value by keeping the license open and fostering a growing community.  JBoss and MySQL are great examples of very successful outcomes from this approach.  Keep things free and unencumbered for the community, and offer consulting services and a commercial license for enterprises which need support.</p>
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		<title>By: LA</title>
		<link>http://conal.net/blog/posts/seeking-advice-on-software-licensing#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I would agree with Robert Burrell Donkin.  Empirically there doesn&#039;t seem to be a lot of open source code that has supported a business along the lines that you describe.  The examples that come to mind are either full products that provide a solution to a fairly well understood problem (eg Qt, SleepyCat) or the basis for enhancing a consultancy type business.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I would agree with Robert Burrell Donkin.  Empirically there doesn&#8217;t seem to be a lot of open source code that has supported a business along the lines that you describe.  The examples that come to mind are either full products that provide a solution to a fairly well understood problem (eg Qt, SleepyCat) or the basis for enhancing a consultancy type business.</p>
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